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May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography lesson

by indydem99, Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:18:29 AM EST

Obama conceded that he has a steep challenge to get his message and background to voters in states such as Kentucky -- where he trails Sen. Hillary Clinton by 27 points, according to a poll published earlier this week -- and West Virginia, where voters chose Clinton over Obama by 40 points on Tuesday.

"What it says is that I'm not very well known in that part of the country," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/373 88.html

Southern Illinois shares a border with Kentucky where as Arkansas does not. Check any US map you want. Obviously Sen. Obama does not think that southern Illinois is a part of Illinois. I guess another elitist attitude

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Here's a question: (2.00 / 1)

How much of Kentucky is in an Illinois media market group?

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:21:30 AM EST

Re: Here's a question: (2.00 / 1)

Southern Illinois carbondale in the media market. The bigger story is why is Sen Obama losing big in a neighbouring state??

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by indydem99 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:29:22 AM EST
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wrong... (2.00 / 4)

carbondale is in the paducah media market. people with a sense of geography realize that paducah is in kentucky and not illinois.

so the real question is, why didn't you know this? more significantly, why did you answer when you didn't really know the answer to the question?

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:30:42 AM EST
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none. but i'm betting you already knew that! (2.00 / 1)

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:32:27 AM EST
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Teacher's trick (2.00 / 2)

Sometimes you just have to make them figure it out on their own by asking the right questions.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:01:00 AM EST
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Re: Teacher's trick (1.00 / 1)

I doubt that.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:11:44 PM EST
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Another Dan Quayle Moment (none / 0)

The more he talks, the more I wonder.

by Michael Begala on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:28:39 AM EST

Wonder what? (2.00 / 3)

The more you wonder whether or not you can use that particular statement as a hatchet diary to appease your masters?

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:33:04 AM EST
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Yup, Dan Quayle in an Empty Suit! (1.00 / 3)

by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:55:14 AM EST
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Re: Yup, Dan Quayle in an Empty Suit! (2.00 / 1)

Dan Quayle... in an empty suit...

EVERYBODY RUN, DAN QUAYLE IS A GHOST!

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:38:17 AM EST
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Re: Yup, Dan Quayle in an Empty Suit! (2.00 / 1)

That's only if he's an empty suit of armor.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:01:30 AM EST
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Re: Another Dan Quayle Moment (2.00 / 1)

...the more you troll

by interestedbystander on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:48:07 PM EST
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Elitism (1.75 / 4)

His home state shares a border for Chrissakes.

He lumps them together because in his mind they're under educated southerners, just like the folks in West Virginia and Arkansas.

by Michael Begala on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:45:50 AM EST

Re: Elitism (2.00 / 1)

And you know this because you are a mind reader? What am I thinking right now?

by futbol dad on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:52:47 PM EST
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Re: Elitism (2.00 / 2)

I know! And I agree.

by interestedbystander on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:49:23 PM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 2)

So Obama refers to WV, but you give us a geography lesson on KY. Clever.

Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo

by rb608 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:47:56 AM EST

Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 1)

That is even worse WV is not close to AR. I think you need a geography lessons too. He was talking in kentucky and about KY.

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by indydem99 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:00:43 AM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 3)

you may think people need a geography lesson, but I think you need a hobby... something to take your attention away from scouring the internet to find reasons to be outraged....

It's Spring... go plant something and watch it grow...

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:35:58 AM EST
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Check a map (1.66 / 3)

Then tell me West Virginia OR Kentucky is closer to Arkansas than Illinois.

It's simple - he lumped them together as under educated working southerners that just don't know enough to vote for him.

by Michael Begala on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:05:37 AM EST
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Re: Check a map (2.00 / 2)

MSM never asked him as to why he is losing in a neighbouring state! I guess we should not be surprised.

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by indydem99 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:08:01 AM EST
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Look at any electoral vote projection map too (2.00 / 3)

Hillary beats McCain comfortably, while McCain beats Obama comfortably.

You'd think as delegate majority focused vs. popular vote dismissive as most Obama supporters are, that would speak volumns.

by phoenixdreamz on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:51:01 AM EST

Re: Look at any electoral vote projection map too (2.00 / 2)

Their tone deaf. It's all about Obama, not backing a democrat (Hillary) who can actually win the general election.

by grlpatriot on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:58:26 AM EST
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Re: Look at any electoral vote projection map too (2.00 / 3)

It's all about Obama because he's the one who has (nearly) won the primary under the rules established at the beginning of the primary season.

Second guessing is fine, hypothetical analysis of Clinton vs McCain is fine... But it's inherently futile. No one (from the MSM to random people on the streets) cares if Hillary is the better candidate in the general election if she's not the candidate in the general election.

by TCQuad on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:40:08 AM EST
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Re: Look at any electoral vote projection map too (2.00 / 2)

You are going to be disappointed in November when Obama wins.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:46:17 AM EST
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Re: Look at any electoral vote projection map too (none / 0)

Why would anyone be HAPPY that McCain would win. You know I support Clinton for MANY reasons. Aside from the fact that I believe her to be a better candidate due to her qualifications, I also believe she stands a better chance of winning against McCain in the G/E in November. Somehow, to you, I guess that translates to desiring a GOP win if the candidate that I believe to hold the better qualifications in the party is not the nominee. Talk about a leap in logic; maybe it is that sort of rationale that makes you also think Obama will flip classically red states.

by jrsygrl on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:50:17 PM EST
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Re: Look at any electoral vote projection map too (2.00 / 3)

Yes, by all freakin' means.. let's not even have voting in November... let's base the election on a collection of polls done in the Spring...

Well, heck then, we should have done that in 2004 since Kerry was leading Bush in most all of them....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:39:09 AM EST
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Check a map (2.00 / 1)

Then tell me West Virginia OR Kentucky is closer to Arkansas than Illinois.

It's simple - he lumped them together as under educated working southerners that just don't know enough to vote for him.

by Michael Begala on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:00:00 AM EST
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Re: Check a map (2.00 / 3)

I will tell you that... because culturally and demographically, they are much closer to Arkansas than to Illinois.

But of course, it's easier for you to twist the words of a fellow Democrat in a feeble attempt to score political points and pretend he's insulting voters, than it is to take the adult path, listen to him in good faith, and understand what he's saying.

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by mistersite on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:41:32 AM EST
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Exactly. Arkansas is on the tail end... (2.00 / 2)

... of the Appalachian migration. Compare this map of counties where Clinton received more than 65% of the primary vote (pre-WV):

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... with this map of the Upland South, representing Appalachia and the westward migration from Appalachia into... Arkansas:

Note also how few black people live in those Upland South areas:

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Once again demonstrating that David Sirota is right.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM EST
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Re: Check a map (none / 0)

Oh. So when he said "nearby," he meant "similar culturally and demographically" and not "nearby geographically"? That's a bizarre interpretation.

by markjay on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:09:44 PM EST
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Re: Check a map (2.00 / 1)

I think you have stated this opinion enough in this thread, don't you?

by futbol dad on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:55:55 PM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 3)

I think the more interesting point is Obama's arrogance in saying that he isn't doing well in KY because voters don't know him. How about they've had over a year of getting to know him and are rejecting his lack of experience for the Presidency and are choosing a more experienced candidate in Hillary Clinton. Obama's audacity is stellar.

by grlpatriot on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:56:42 AM EST

Obama always blames others for his (2.00 / 2)

short comings. In fact, people in Kentucky and elsewhere already no TOO MUCH about him and that's the reason he won't win.

Do you love his self-righteous babble about Bush's comment which he, as always, assumed was directed at him when it was directed at Jimmy Carter?

The man doesn't realize that not everything in the world is about Obama!

by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:59:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama always blames others for his (2.00 / 4)

"In fact, people in Kentucky and elsewhere already no TOO MUCH about him and that's the reason he won't win."

Like claiming he's a muslim you mean?

"Do you love his self-righteous babble about Bush's comment which he, as always, assumed was directed at him when it was directed at Jimmy Carter?"

Oh, please, everyone knew it was about Barack Obama -- in private they admitted it was about Barack Obama.

They are simply being coward enough to bow now say "Oh, I didn't really mean you, why are acting so insulted if you weren't guilty" -- a kindergartener's ploy that you are going along with.

by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:15:55 AM EST
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Re: Obama always blames others for his (2.00 / 2)

Do you love his self-righteous babble about Bush's comment which he, as always, assumed was directed at him when it was directed at Jimmy Carter?

Hillary Clinton thought it was about Obama too... as did the senior administration officials the press interviewed on background. It wasn't until the Bushies realized they were being made to look like chumps by a skinny guy from Illinois that they backed off and started pretending it was about Carter.

And of course, you would believe the Bush administration's claims over those of fellow Democrats.

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by mistersite on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:43:41 AM EST
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The time for this is past (2.00 / 3)

If you want to bash the presumptive Dem nominee, please do it elsewhere.

by PhilFR on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:07:02 AM EST

Re: The time for this is past (none / 0)

You call factual talk bashing???

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by indydem99 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:09:31 AM EST
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hahahahahahahahaha (2.00 / 5)

"Obviously Sen. Obama does not think that southern Illinois is a part of Illinois. I guess another elitist attitude"

Look, you can PRETEND that this is "factual talk," but the rest of us are OBVIOUSLY going to laugh at you.

by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:11:00 AM EST
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So much hate (2.00 / 7)

What's wrong with some people here?

by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:10:05 AM EST

Re: So much hate (1.00 / 1)

I don't see hate, why must political observations and musings be construed as hate?

So what, if Obama isn't smarter than a 5th grader?

He was making a whiny GWBish comment, and messed it up.

by catchawave on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:45:22 AM EST
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heh, (2.00 / 1)

Let's not label hateful, mean, spiteful nonsense "political observations and musings."

by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:23:20 PM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 1)

geography leads to math problems: currently Obama 50 EV behind McCain, while Hillary 50 EV ahead McCain. I guess this math much more important that number of delegates from caucuses from red states.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:33:12 AM EST

yes, i remember busting these myths before iowa... (2.00 / 1)

when georgep et al were completely convinced that hillary could not be beaten given her standing in the polls.

if you look at the state polls out right now, most of them were conducted at the height of the rev. wright controversy, and it should be no surprise that mccain polled better than barack at that point. that's completely predictable.

the problem with contrasting it with hillary's map, though, is that the polls in florida show her ahead (which is fairly traditional for early polling, given their bias towards rdd which returns in higher than expected results from dade, broward, palm beach and hillsborough counties). hillary has no chance of winning florida -- sam brownback polled better than hillary in a head-to-head poll in the decisive i-4 corridor. believing that hillary has a chance of winning florida is the height of folly...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:58:39 AM EST
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Re: yes, i remember busting these myths before iow (none / 0)

wright thing will not go away, softballing will end on June 3rd.
you can comfort yourself as much as you want - reality will be a landslide for McCain if his opponent is Obama, starting with WV, OH, AR and yes Florida (58 EV total swing).
Hillary has a good chance in all these 4, Obama does not.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:16:13 AM EST
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the wright thing has gone away... (2.00 / 1)

and it had an unintended consequence of benefit: no one will believe that barack is muslim now -- a far more dangerous myth than the one that barack secretly shares wright's views.

your reality must be up in the clouds somewhere. i will grant you that hillary, at her best, runs about even with barack at his worst, but i don't assume that either will stay there. in fact, hillary's historically high negatives (no non-incumbent has ever won with the kinds of negatives hillary has, and it's clear that won't change) virtually guaranteed her loss in the fall. with barack, at least we have a chance. now i think the damage done by this bitterly divisive primary doesn't bode well regardless of who is the nominee -- and i'd offer yourself up as proof of the lack of unity around democrats -- but at least we don't have to tote hillary's package into the fall.

hillary had no chance of winning florida. i'll concede arkansas...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:51:34 AM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography les (2.00 / 3)

Try a more reputable source for your EV maps, like Poblano:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Obama is a sliver behind Clinton and both are a sliver behind McCain. But once we choose a nominee, we have nowhere to go but up and McCain has nowhere to go but down.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:13:29 AM EST
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Re: It's All That Arugula (1.00 / 0)

It's clouding his brain...

Maybe he needs a HISTORY LESSON too...

May 09, 2008
Obama Needs a History Lesson
By Jack Kelly

In his victory speech after the North Carolina primary, Sen. Barack Obama said something that is all the more remarkable for how little it has been remarked upon.

In defending his stated intent to meet with America's enemies without preconditions, Sen. Obama said: "I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did."

That he made this statement, and that it passed without comment by the journalists covering his speech indicates either breathtaking ignorance of history on the part of both, or deceit.

[...]

As Sir Winston Churchill said:

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/05/obama_needs_to_study_history_b .html

May 09, 2008

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman

by Tennessean on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:47:31 AM EST

Re: It's All That Arugula (2.00 / 6)

Well, since FDR did try to negotiate with Hitler:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/7-2-188/188-1 2.html

And since Truman attempted to negotiate Japanese surrender BEFORE the Bomb was dropped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Dec laration

And since Kennedy literally sat down with Nikita Khrushchev:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_ Kennedy%2C_Nikita_Khrushchev_1961.jpg

....I don't exactly see what's wrong about Obama's statement.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:03:12 AM EST
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Re: It's All That Arugula (none / 0)

Since Obama was talking of meeting directly with our enemies and not just "back door" diplomacy, then your argument is very moot. FDR and Truman, in essence, sent letters they did NOT sit down face to face with our enemies.

by realtarheel on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:57:31 AM EST
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Re: It's All That Arugula (2.00 / 1)

Just because Roosevelt wasn't in the same room as Hitler and Truman wasn't in the same room as Tojo does not mean it's somehow "back door" diplomacy.

Back-door diplomacy is what is going on today between Israel and Hamas--both entities say they're not speaking to the other at all, but they are in fact involved in some level of discussion with other nations as a middleman (specifically, Egypt).

A published letter from one head of state to another head of state, numerous public offers of surrender terms--this is actual diplomacy. Front-door, you might say.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:23:59 PM EST
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Citing Jack Kelly now? (2.00 / 2)

Is there any wingnut the dead-enders haven't come to love?

by JJE on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:53:07 AM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama... (2.00 / 4)

Trust me on this, as I have several friends from the area: Southern Illinois and norther Illinois are practically different states, both geographically and culturally. Chicago is a Rust Belt urban behemoth tacked onto the corner of a Midwestern farming state. Kentucky and Illinois sharing a border does not put those voters any closer to Chicago than to Little Rock.

That being said, Obama ought not be falling into Mark Penn's trap of slicing and dicing the electorate into geographic and cultural micro-groups. He did poorly in WV, oh well. He'll probably do poorly in KY, oh well. He's long past the point where he needs to make excuses for that. He should just accept the losses and move to the next contest without attempting to explain them away.

That smells a bit too much like "those states don't matter" and I'd much prefer to leave that attitude to his opponent.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:56:03 AM EST

the obama campaign does not follow the penn... (2.00 / 1)

rules. he's an idiot. they are much smarter than that...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:59:50 AM EST
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Re: the obama campaign does not follow the penn... (2.00 / 2)

I agree that Penn is an idiot, and Senator Clinton's trust in him likely single-handedly cost her the nomination. I'm just a little bit uncomfortable with Obama seeming to dismiss or excuse a loss.

I'm just hoping that the Obama campaign goes back to their philosophy of "we're all in this together" and sticks to the 50-state strategy. I don't want to hear from Obama himself how it's impossible for him to win Appalachians, Hispanics, older women... Let the media blowhards talk about how you can't, while you find a way to DO it.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:09:38 AM EST
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Re: the obama campaign does not follow the penn... (2.00 / 3)

Also, total brownie points if your username is a Buffy reference. </offtopic>

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:10:15 AM EST
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of course it is... (2.00 / 2)

i love it when they run...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:51:53 AM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama... (none / 0)

Are you telling me that Southern illinois is not a part of his constituency as an Illinois senator?? His constituency ends at the suburbs of Chicago? What do you call that attitude??

You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat

by indydem99 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:58:37 PM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama... (2.00 / 1)

No. What I'm saying is, Obama's sphere of influence grows weaker and Clinton's grows stronger as you progress southwards towards Kentucky. The entire state isn't an impregnable Obama stronghold. And once you get near the south end of the state, it resembles Kentucky (and Arkansas) a lot more than it resembles the northern part of the state. Which means that Obama doesn't have a big "spillover" influence on Kentucky just because it happens to border Illinois.

That's not to say Obama doesn't support and represent the entire state of Illinois, it's to say that not all parts of Illinois support him equally.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:29:17 PM EST
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Re: May be Sen. Obama really needs a (2.00 / 6)

Yeah, former editors-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review are uniformly just so dumb. It does not take any intellectual ability to accomplish that. What a dumb candidate. Hillary will surely win by playing the "Obama is dumb" card from here on out. Keep it up!

I like baked beans.

by SpideyDem on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:09:08 AM EST

Re: more Geography lessons (none / 0)

Sioux City is in what state? a) South Dakota b) Iowa c) Illinois d) none of the above

How many states in the U.S.A.? a) 57 b) 58 c) 50 d) 48

Good luck!!

by moevaughn on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:21:37 AM EST

Re: more Geography lessons (none / 0)

LOL

by thebluenote on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:22:52 PM EST
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ummm (none / 0)

why is he MAKING excuses??? He should just take the loss for what it is and stop making excuses for his weakness in EVERY state that surrounds OHIO.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:56:17 AM EST

Re: ummm (1.00 / 1)

That's all he every does. Avoids accountability and responsibility...you know, like the other puppet.

by LindaSFNM on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:24:03 PM EST
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Re: ummm (2.00 / 1)

While you're right that Obama shouldn't make excuses, he still comes nowhere near Clinton's level. In the estimation of the Clinton campaign, half the states in the country don't matter because they're too small, or too black, or because they're Red states, or because they're Blue states, or because they have caucuses, or because they border Illinois, or because she was outspent, or... etc.

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by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:43:20 PM EST
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May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography lesson (none / 0)

Oh how sad. lmao

Man, when people report what he actually says and does, it's pretty scary things he says.

by LindaSFNM on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:56:57 AM EST

May be Sen. Obama really needs a Geography lesson (none / 0)

Maybe that's why he only waited til Monday to head back to West Virginia and found himself hanging out in a pool hall. He thought West Virginia was near Arkansas too. lol

by LindaSFNM on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:58:23 AM EST
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And? (1.00 / 2)

Everybody knows by now that Hillary has full command of the backwards vote.

West Virginia is third in the nation with homes that do not have complete plumbing for crying out loud!

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:31:48 PM EST

Re: And? (2.00 / 1)

So now our poor and low-income citizens are considered "the backwards vote"? How times have changed. When I was young, it was a Democratic and progressive badge of pride to be working to represent the interests of the poor. Now the poor are considered by many in the Obama movement to be "the backwards vote" worthy of ridicule.

by markjay on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:14:45 PM EST
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it still is... (2.00 / 1)

but i think one trauma you are identifying is that it baffles many democrats why poorer white people would vote "against their economic interests" and casting their ballots for republicans. but, yeah, since reagan drove a wedge between working class white democrats and the democratic party, many democrats outside this demographic have troubles here...

"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 03:31:31 PM EST
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Re: And? (none / 0)

You might want to brush up on your history. Bobby Kennedy went to these "backward voters" and lobbied on their behalf.

Edwards cares about these "backward voters". Many people care about these "backward voters", because they are the unheard voices in America.

go to hell.

by colebiancardi on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:16:18 PM EST
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How much ... (2.00 / 1)

How much more petty can you be?

by LtWorf on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:03:53 PM EST

Another diary pimped at H44 (none / 0)

clintondem99 Says:

May 17th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
From my post on MYDD:
Another Obama elitism or does he need a lesson in geography?

Perhaps you would be happier in a more sympathetic setting, like back at H44 where you came from.

I trust Senator Obama.

by GFORD on Sat May 17, 2008 at 03:56:26 PM EST

Re: Another diary pimped at H44 (none / 0)

I am not ashamed to be from H44. I am a very proud supporter of HRC. you could have asked me instead of snooping around.

You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat

by indydem99 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 05:04:18 PM EST
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